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      More about the Jewish Question   On August 14, 2006, we received the following email 
      regarding The Jewish Question. I believe it is especially relevant 
      since the views expressed by this sister in the Lord are representative of 
      the many Christians in the world today and how they view the political 
      State of Israel. 
        
        
          
            | Dear Brother 
            Torell, After reading 
            your paper titled “Dancing 
            around the Golden calf”…I was unsettled in my heart about many 
            things you spoke of….I want you to know up until this point I have 
            admired and shared much of your teaching with others…BUT this had me 
            troubled…I am not a scholar or a theologian so a lot of what you 
            shared went right over my head...So I shared it with a teacher that 
            I respect highly and this is a few things that he had to say about 
            what you wrote…Please open your heart to hear what the spirit is 
            saying… 
              The basic 
              premise to which Mr. Torell seems opposed is that of the 
              re-establishment of the political state of Israel and then 
              subsequently the Christian support of this nation in any way. Genesis 12.1-3 
              clearly indicates that all who bless Israel will be blessed.  This 
              verse, by itself, legitimizes any Christian based support shown to 
              Israel. Furthermore, 
              although he makes a strong point saying that the Kingdom of God 
              resides within people and cannot be seen; the Scriptures NEVER 
              equate the Kingdom of God with the nation of Israel.  The promises 
              made to Abraham remain eternally a distinct covenant from the 
              covenant ratified through Christ.  One is a covenant in the flesh 
              and the other is a covenant in the spirit.  He seems to be 
              attempting a blending of these two very different covenants.  On another 
              note, he refers to modern Jewery (Judaism) as representative of 
              the "Synagogue of Satan" to which the Scriptures refer. In my personal 
              opinion, the theology and spirituality of Jewery is far closer to 
              the Biblical pattern and paradigm than is the Christian theology 
              and spirituality; yet, Jewery has of yet not recognized Christ.  
              On the other hand, the Christ that Christendom preaches does not 
              accurately represent the actual Scriptural teachings concerning 
              Him. To put it as 
              succinctly as possible, Jewery does not accurately believe in 
              Christ due to ignorance - they simply have never in recent history 
              been presented with the actual Scriptural message of Christ while 
              on the other hand, Christendom has known Christ but has corrupted 
              and perverted his message and teachings.  To me, a deliberate 
              perversion of the truth is more satanic than an ignorance of the 
              truth.  If Mr. Torell 
              considers himself an objective and informed scholar, he will 
              undoubtedly concede that the grand history of the church has been 
              more characterized by anti-scriptural teachings and 
              anti-scriptural practices than scriptural accuracy.  In fact, the 
              entire protestant movement bears witness to the gross error with 
              which the church plagued mankind.  To go even one step further, 
              every modern day revival bears witness that the church is STILL 
              prone to fall into the devil's schemes - else revival would never 
              be necessary! It is in the 
              Christian church that the devil finds his strongest foothold 
              today.  The modern church is the synagogue of satan - not Jewery!  
              (please realize that I am speaking VERY stereotypically, there 
              are, to be sure, pockets of light even in christendom but they may 
              be fewer and dimmer than ANYONE would care to admit!) The more 
              Christians are actively involved in supporting Israel AND modern 
              Jewery, the more willing they will be to listen to what Christians 
              may tell them.  Most people want to know you care before they care 
              to hear what you know!  Who knows, if Christians are not too 
              proud, they might even learn a thing or two from the Jews about 
              what it means to REALLY serve God and to learn how to begin to 
              interpret the Scriptures accurately!  (ouch! but YES, I mean 
              it!!!!) I want to thank 
            you for taking the time to read…ponder and seek God on these 
            matters. In His Name… A sister in the 
            faith |  Dear Sister,  Thank you for writing 
      to me. I have read through what this other person gave you and I want to 
      respond to his comments. I have already written much about where I stand 
      on The Jewish Question and I 
      recommend that you read this article first.  I have also responded 
      below to some of the statements made in this e-mail to further clarify my 
      stand on this issue. 
        
        
          
            | The basic premise 
            to which Mr. Torell seems opposed is that of the re-establishment of 
            the political state of Israel and then subsequently the Christian 
            support of this nation in any way. Genesis 12.1-3 
            clearly indicates that all who bless Israel will be blessed.  This 
            verse, by itself, legitimizes any Christian based support shown to 
            Israel. |  God said that those who 
      bless Abraham will be blessed, He did not say the State of Israel. The 
      promise from God is repeated in Genesis 22:16-18, with God expounding upon 
      the blessing of Abraham that the blessing is also for his seed.  
      Genesis 22:16-18 
          
      And said, By myself 
      have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and 
      hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
      That in blessing I will 
      bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of 
      the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed 
      shall possess the gate of his enemies;
      And in thy seed shall 
      all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my 
      voice. The State of Israel is 
      not the seed of Abraham, the Apostle Paul affirmed this when he said that 
      the seed of Abraham is now every person who has been born again. It does 
      not matter if you are a Jew, Greek or any other nationality; we are all 
      one in Christ. 
        Romans 4:13-14  
          
          For the promise, 
          that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his 
          seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
          For if they which 
          are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of 
          none effect: Galatians 3:1-29 
          
          O foolish 
          Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, 
          before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, 
          crucified among you?
          This only would I 
          learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by 
          the hearing of faith?
          Are ye so foolish? 
          having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
          Have ye suffered so 
          many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
          He therefore that 
          ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth 
          he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
          Even as Abraham 
          believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
          Know ye therefore 
          that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
          And the scripture, 
          foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached 
          before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be 
          blessed.
          So then they which 
          be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
          For as many as are 
          of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed 
          is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in 
          the book of the law to do them.
          But that no man is 
          justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just 
          shall live by faith.
          And the law is not 
          of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
          Christ hath 
          redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for 
          it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
          That the blessing 
          of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we 
          might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
          Brethren, I speak 
          after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it 
          be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
          Now to Abraham and 
          his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of 
          many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
          And this I say, 
          that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the 
          law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, 
          that it should make the promise of none effect.
          For if the 
          inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it 
          to Abraham by promise.
          Wherefore then 
          serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed 
          should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by 
          angels in the hand of a mediator.
          Now a mediator is 
          not a mediator of one, but God is one.
          Is the law then 
          against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law 
          given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have 
          been by the law.
          But the scripture 
          hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus 
          Christ might be given to them that believe.
          But before faith 
          came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should 
          afterwards be revealed.
          Wherefore the law 
          was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be 
          justified by faith.
          But after that 
          faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
          For ye are all the 
          children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
          For as many of you 
          as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
          There is neither 
          Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male 
          nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
          And if ye be 
          Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the 
          promise. 
        
        
          
            | Furthermore, although he makes a strong point 
            saying that the Kingdom of God resides within people and cannot be 
            seen; the Scriptures NEVER equate the Kingdom of God with the nation 
            of Israel.  The promises made to Abraham remain eternally a distinct 
            covenant from the covenant ratified through Christ.  One is a 
            covenant in the flesh and the other is a covenant in the spirit.  He 
            seems to be attempting a blending of these two very different 
            covenants.  |  This theological 
      thinking is unbiblical and comes from the teachings of men like John Darby 
      and 
      Cyrus Scofield. In Hebrews chapter 8, the Apostle Paul clearly teaches 
      that the second covenant through Christ has made the first covenant null 
      and void. However, as long as a person holds the viewpoint that the first 
      covenant is still in effect along with the second, it is useless to try 
      and talk with them. This kind of thinking has produced what is known as a 
      "two-tier" salvation plan, one for Jewish people and one for the Gentiles. 
      The Book of Acts is a historical recording that the Jewish believers 
      in Christ broke from the first covenant and rejected Judaism as a means of 
      salvation. 
        
        
          
            | On another note, 
            he refers to modern Jewery (Judaism) as representative of the 
            "Synagogue of Satan" to which the Scriptures refer. In my personal 
            opinion, the theology and spirituality of Jewery is far closer to 
            the Biblical pattern and paradigm than is the Christian theology and 
            spirituality; yet, Jewery has of yet not recognized Christ.  On the 
            other hand, the Christ that Christendom preaches does not accurately 
            represent the actual Scriptural teachings concerning Him. To put it as 
            succinctly as possible, Jewery does not accurately believe in Christ 
            due to ignorance - they simply have never in recent history been 
            presented with the actual Scriptural message of Christ while on the 
            other hand, Christendom has known Christ but has corrupted and 
            perverted his message and teachings.  To me, a deliberate perversion 
            of the truth is more satanic than an ignorance of the truth.  |  This is not a true 
      statement. All Jewish children are taught in their educational system that 
      Mary was a whore who became pregnant by a Roman soldier and that Jesus is 
      a bastard cursed by God. This teaching is found in the Talmud which most 
      Jewish people have more regard for than the Old Testament. Thus, Jewish 
      people are not ignorant, they just have been indoctrinated with lies about 
      Jesus and his mother. As a result, a Christian must make a choice to 
      believe what is written in the whole Bible (New and Old Testament) or 
      believe what Jewish leaders want Christians to believe. 
        
        
          
            | If Mr. Torell considers himself an objective and 
            informed scholar, he will undoubtedly concede that the grand history 
            of the church has been more characterized by anti-scriptural 
            teachings and anti-scriptural practices than scriptural accuracy.  
            In fact, the entire protestant movement bears witness to the gross 
            error with which the church plagued mankind.  To go even one step 
            further, every modern day revival bears witness that the church is 
            STILL prone to fall into the devil's schemes - else revival would 
            never be necessary! |  The apostles were aware 
      of the great destruction which was going to come to pass in the Christian 
      Church through the ages. Warnings can be found in the following scripture: 
        1 Timothy 4:1  Now the Spirit 
        speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the 
        faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;  2 Peter 2:1 But there were false 
        prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers 
        among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying 
        the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
         Jesus warned us 
      (Matthew chapter 24) about the terrible deception which was to come but 
      that does not mean that we reject the Bible and all that Jesus taught. 
      There will always be false teachers and prophets; however, we should 
      concentrate upon Jesus and the Word of God for our inspiration and not 
      them. For many years I have exposed false teachings and urged people to 
      come back to the truth of the Bible. 
        
        
          
            | It is in the 
            Christian church that the devil finds his strongest foothold today.  
            The modern church is the synagogue of satan - not Jewery!  (please 
            realize that I am speaking VERY stereotypically, there are, to be 
            sure, pockets of light even in christendom but they may be fewer and 
            dimmer than ANYONE would care to admit!) The more 
            Christians are actively involved in supporting Israel AND modern 
            Jewery, the more willing they will be to listen to what Christians 
            may tell them.  Most people want to know you care before they care 
            to hear what you know!  Who knows, if Christians are not too proud, 
            they might even learn a thing or two from the Jews about what it 
            means to REALLY serve God and to learn how to begin to interpret the 
            Scriptures accurately!  (ouch! but YES, I mean it!!!!) |  If a person truly 
      believes that Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah, they must also pay 
      attention to what he said. In Matthew chapter 23, Jesus takes Judaism to 
      task and brands their leaders as blind guides. They were blind then and 
      they are still blind now. To sum it up, it all comes down to one issue: 
      IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD OR NOT?  After I sent this dear 
      sister in the Lord my response, I received a second email from her. 
        
        
          
            | My eyes are 
            welled up....Brother John I had to make a decision on where I was 
            going with this study group...I also questioned my own heart about 
            my feels or lack of toward Israel...This is my heart ...There is 
            only one way to Father and that is through Jesus Christ...Whether 
            you are Jewish..Hindu..gentile...African...and on and on He is no 
            respecter of person...Yes we are told in Psalms to pray for 
            Jerusalem..But that is all I can gather...Israel will be saved the 
            same way as all the rest...And when the fulness of the Gentiles come 
            in something super natural will happen...Probably like a road to 
            Damascus experience for the Jewish.Israeli, etc... I forwarded your 
            response to the author of the debate. Your Sister |    
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